Episode 151: Jenny Odell—How to Do Nothing

Jenny Odell, bird noticer, artists, author of How to Do Nothing

By Brendan O’Meara

“Find the something else that is so absorbing to you. That is a place you can go to get away from this.” —Jenny Odell

“You can’t write for everyone. And if you did, it wouldn’t be good.” —Jenny Odell

“Sitting there is a reminder of how different a physical space is with how we consume information online.” —Jenny Odell

Welcome, friend, to CNF, the creative nonfiction podcast where I speak to badass writers, filmmakers, radio producers, and podcasters about the art and craft of telling true stories.

Today’s guest is a special one in Jenny Odell (@the_jennitaur). She’s the author of How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy. It’s an excellent read and, dare I say, an important read for these digital times we live in.

The book stemmed from this talk she gave, which makes me think: maybe the way to a book deal is come up with a great talk? Side note: It’s amazing how Jenny stood in the same spot for this entire talk. I’m definitely a walker.

Anyway…

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So Jenny was amazing. We talk about birds, Austin Kleon, and how best reclaim your attention from social media companies that are hell bend on ensuring you keep scrolling.

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Write a Thank You Note

By Brendan O’Meara

The people we admire are rarely farther away than a tweet or an email.

My suggestion is to find a way to thank this person with no expectation for anything in return (I mean, didn’t they create the art the inspires you? Isn’t that enough?).

If you can track down a mailing address (footer to a newsletter), write a thank you note.

If you can’t do that, send an email thanking them for the work.

If you can’t find an email, write a physical note, take a picture of it, and tweet it out or post to Instagram tagging them. Again, don’t do this for any reply, but do it from a place of genuine gratitude.

That sort of energy will ripple out. It’ll feel good. You’ll do better work. Then maybe someone, some time in the future, might send you a note thanking you for doing what you do.

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Time to Quit

By Brendan O’Mearahttp://twitter.com/brendanomeara

This is a tough one. This is a real tough one.

When do you quit a project? A book?

The greatest lesson I learned from my MFA program was when a mentor told me that my book was basically unpublishable and that it’s time to move on.

That stung.

So I did move on.

And published the next book.

It might be that once you’ve given it everything, that everything isn’t enough, so you must move along.

That book you keep failing to sell might be an anchor keeping you in harbor. Just because you pull up anchor doesn’t mean the anchor is gone. But until you pull up, you’ll never move.

Quitting isn’t forever, but only you can tell when you’ve exhausted your efforts. Quitting isn’t for losers. It’s for those who realize there’s far more to do.

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All Drafts Are Rough

By Brendan O’Meara

Whatever the craft, all drafts are rough, some are just rougher than others.

The people who succeed, or the people who are able to keep playing the game, are the ones who can endure all the bad work to get to the good work.

When you realize this, it’s incredibly liberating. The more bad work, the more bad track you lay down, the greater the likelihood that something good will stick.

Art is a numbers game. There are nine bad, unpublished novels behind the author’s brilliant “debut.”

But she had the courage to write badly. Remember, all drafts are rough.

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Rewatch the Way Children Rewatch

By Brendan O’Meara

A few years ago my niece was home from school. She was sick and watched the movie Frozen on a constant loop. You probably did this as a kid too. You re-watched things you loved because you loved them. Unapologetically.

At some point you think that it’s no longer good enough to watch a few things deeply and you want to watch as many movies as possible or read as many books as possible.

But what if you tabled the idea of reading fifty books a year and instead read the same book twenty times? Or, pick your favorite book and read it once a year every year. I do this with The Great Gatsby. I read it every year in December, Ol’ Sport.

In any case, sometimes we think there’s no time to re-read books or re-watch movies because we could be consuming something new. No matter how many lifetimes you’re granted, you won’t be able to read or watch it all.

So should you come across something you love, study it. Immerse in it. See that book’s family tree: What authors did the author read that informed it?

It doesn’t matter what it is, but reclaiming that child-like zeal for a piece of art might be the key to greater enjoyment instead of trying to stay on an ever-quickening treadmill.

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The Evolution of Hard Work

I’m obsessed with what means to work hard. It’s a big reason why I ask so many people about how they define it, and another big reason I use athletics as the perfect was to illustrate and measure hard work.

For example, if you’re a competent high school baseball player, maybe doing 100 swings a day on a tee in your basement is hard work. That will separate you from most other high school players and you will likely succeed if you have some talent too.

But what happens when you start playing college ball? Well, now you’re in a mix of all the best high school players who put in those 100 swings a day. So now you might have to do 200 a day to create separation. You need to level up to keep pace and succeed.

And should you be lucky enough to graduate to the next level? Guess what? You need to put in more reps. It gets that much harder and the fine line between good and great gets that much narrower, so you need to keep putting in more reps.

So what might have been hard work a few years ago, might not cut it anymore.

I’ll leave it up to you to measure what hard work means, but the fact is if you want to level up, you have to put in more reps.

This is how we create separation and rise to the top. Because you have to work harder now even with a better set of skills, doesn’t mean you’ve somehow regressed. It means you’re leveling up. It means you get to keep playing the game. What worked five years ago worked five years ago. You need to step up now. You know you can do it. Don’t be scared. Put in the reps.

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Define Success

By Brendan O’Meara

After taking Alexandra DiPalma’s great podcasting course on Creative Live and having her on CNF, one of her fundamental questions for any novice podcaster is: How will you define success?

Is it downloads?

Is it listeners?

Is it reach?

Is it money? (A bad one, admittedly, but that’s a metric for some people).

Point being if we define our success in realistic terms, approachable terms, then maybe some of the bitterness and resentment won’t glom on. Maybe you’ll have fun again.

But if you have some nebulous idea of what success is, or an atomically unrealistic metric, then you will grow bitter and angry.

Define what it would mean to feel successful and fulfilled. And go after it. If you hit that mark. Celebrate, then recalibrate, reengage, and get after it again.

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Do Not Hurry; Do Not Rest

By Brendan O’Meara

That’s a quote from Goethe. I found it in Annie Dillard’s The Writing Life.

It speaks so strongly getting a lot of work done, if you think about it.

Tortoise and hare.

Don’t rush. Plug along. Drip by drip. Don’t stop.

Go faster by slowing down.

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Episode 150: Ian Frisch—A Good Idea Knows No Age

Ian Frisch, author of Magic is Dead, hopped on the show.

By Brendan O’Meara

Quotables by Ian Frisch (@IanFrisch and @Ian_Frisch)

“That’s what makes a great story is having character, and setting, and narrative moments and dynamic change.”

“I’m not really just there for the information. I want to be able to understand a character and their motivations and their experience on a deeper level.”

“A good idea knows no experiences level or age.”

Well, here are CNFers, this is CNF, the creative nonfiction podcast where I speak to badass artists about the craft of telling true stories.

Ian Frisch, a master a freelancer and author of Magic is Dead, joins me this glorious CNFriday.

There’s so much great freelancer wisdom in this episode. I know your’e gonna dig it.

Ian mentions how great Patrick Radden Keefe’s Say Nothing and David Grann’s The White Darkness are. Not to mention Bill Buford’s great New Yorker piece on chocolate.

Ian is a prolific writer and his work can be seen here, so I hope you’ll check out his work. It’s an impressive collection.

Be sure to keep the conversation going on Twitter @BrendanOMeara and @CNFPod. You can always follow along on Instagram @cnfpod and on Facebook on the podcast’s page.

Enjoy the show!

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Improve in Public

Bill Watterson’s brilliant and iconic comic, Calvin and Hobbes, is one of the most beautifully drawn and painted comics of all time.

But if you look to the very, very beginning of the comic Watterson’s drawings are raw, they’re minor league compared to where he ends up.

So by showing up, day after day after day, drawing that boy and that tiger and all the other characters that appear in comic over its entire run, they get sharper, cleaner, better.

You see this over and over again. The Far Side, Garfield, Doonesbury, Get Fuzzy. These artists are not fully formed, yet they still did the work and improved in real time in plain sight.

The work will never be perfect and you will never be ready and never be fully formed.

So work, work in plain sight and then notice how you improve. Don’t be stifled by perfection. Work and improve in public.

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