Episode 185: Tim O’Brien on Memory, Failure and his ‘Maybe Book’

By Brendan O’Meara

Tim O’Brien, the author of The Things They Carried and Going After Cacciato, has written a book sixteen years in the making: Dad’s Maybe Book (HMH, 2019).

I’m no dad, nor will I ever be one, but I’m a son, and I’d read about bricklaying if Tim O’Brien’s name is attached to it. This book is so expansive and tender and prescriptive without being didactic. It’s about reading, writing, fatherhood, sonhood, marriage, struggle, triumph, demons. It’s about Tim.

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Enjoy this conversation with Tim O’Brien.

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Episode 184: Kristina Gaddy — ‘Flowers in the Gutter’ and Loving What’s Underneath It All

Kristina Gaddy

By Brendan O’Meara

Hey, CNFers, Kristina Gaddy (@kgadz) is here to drop some sick riffs on the craft. She’s also here to talk about her new book Flowers in the Gutter: The True Story of the Teenagers Who Fought the Nazis. I know, right? So selfish.

This was a fun one as we dig into her reading habits, her writing routine, her obsession with that writing software, and her passion for research.

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Happy 2020, CNFers

Happy 2020, CNFers!

You might be wondering, what the riff? Why isn’t there an interview in this slot right now?

Well, this happens, at times, when people cancel on me or miss their appointment and my scrambling to fill the time slot comes up empty. In the creative vaccum that is the time in and around Christmas and New Years, it’s often a losing battle.

My advice to you is, maybe check out some of the interviews that have accumulated in your feed. There’s no shortage. A new interview will be here next week with Kristina Gaddy, and we’ve got exciting ones coming down the pipeline with Tim O’Brien, Pamela Coloff and Rachel Aviv, just to name a few. 

Also, in my effort to better serve you, the listener, I’d love to know what I could be doing to better address your needs as a creator in this genre. Do you like the origin questions? Do you like the tactical stuff? Would you like things to stay the same? Am I hitting the right beats that make you energized about your own work? This podcast is for you. I make this for you. Without you there is no CNF. I want to make a show worth sharing and it’s only worth sharing if you are able to add those valuable insights to your cart and check out better for it. So please email the show creativenonfictionpodcast at gmail . com or brendan at brendanomeara . com with your insights. It doesn’t have to be long, but as the show enters its eighth year, I want to make sure I haven’t lost touch with the people who matter most: you.

But this is also a time for me to share a great quote from Charles Bukowski about writing and it goes to the heart of what I think it means to be a writer and an artist. 

He writes,

Too many writers write for the wrong reasons. They want to get famous or they want to get rich or they want to get laid by the girls with bluebells in their hair. When everything works best, it’s not because you chose writing but because writing chose you. It’s when you’re mad with it, it’s when it’s stuffed in your ears, your nostrils, under your fingernails. It’s when there’s no hope but that.

He goes on … then says:

It was cancer madness. And it was never work or planned or part of a school. It was. That’s all. We work too hard. We try too hard. Don’t try. Don’t work. It’s there. It’s been looking right at us, aching to kick out the closed womb. It’s all free, we needn’t be told. Classes? Classes are for asses. Writing a poem is as easy as beating your meat or drinking a bottle of beer.

So, as we approach this new year, maybe we don’t need to overthink it. We don’t need permission from anyone. We don’t need another online class from a “master” who, by the way, didn’t need an online class to do the work she’s so famous for. If we approach the work with generosity and rigor, and put our best word forward every time, then that’s the victory. 

When four guys in northern california got together and started playing heavy metal music, sure, they had dreams of going out on the road, but it always about the music in that garage. Those guys, give or take because one got booted out of the band and one died in a bus crash, made it because they had always made it.

We make it in this business when we decide. There’s no arrival. Malcolm Gladwell is jealous of Michael Lewis.

So, we make it when we decided to arrive. I hope you decide right now to own it. Own the title. Own your shitty work. It won’t be shitty for long.

I wish you the best arrival in 2020 and beyond. Let’s get after it this year.

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Episode 183: Sonia Hamer — Crock-Pot Prose

By Brendan O’Meara

Sonia Hamer is here to talk about her essay “Pig: An Essay,” an installment of Creative Nonfiction’s True Story.

This is a nice tight 30, which I’m starting to like more and more.

She talks about how writing essays is a lot like putting ingredients into a Crock-Pot, or making a soup. Reminds me of Adam Valen Levinson when he came by.

I hope you enjoy this final episode of 2019.

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Episode 182: Jake Gronsky — Discipline, Sticking Up for Your Work, and Always Having an Apprentice Mindset

Jake Gronsky (middle) is an author and journalist.

By Brendan O’Meara

Jake Gronsky joins me this fine CNFriday to talk about his transition from playing professional baseball in the Minor Leagues to becoming a writer.

It’s good stuff.

He’s the co-author of A Short Season: Faith, Family, and a Boy’s Love of Baseball.

Jake made the notable selections for Best American Sports Writing 2019 with his two-part feature titled Nine Days in Cape Cod.

We dig into lots of good stuff and the craft of writing, about getting out of the way of the story and always having that apprentice mindset.

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If you have questions you want answered, shoot me an email, CNFer.

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Episode 181: Amy Fish — Starting Late, Dealing with Rejections, and How to Get Someone to Clean Up After Their Dog

By Brendan O’Meara

Amy Fish is here to talk about her book I Wanted Fried With That (New World Library).

We talk about her approach to writing the book, revisiting old essays, dealing with the flood of rejections and the art of the crafty complaint.

We brought up her 100 rejections in a year manifesto, something she said at HippoCamp 2019, something she took from Lisa Romeo.

Amy talks about drawing inspiration from David Sedaris, Malcolm Gladwell, and the mystery genre.

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Episode 180: Lindsay McCrae — A Year Among Penguins

Lindsay McCrae, not in a Aruba.

By Brendan O’Meara
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Lindsay McCrae is here to talk about his year with the penguins in My Penguin Year: Life Among the Emperors (William Morrow, 2019).

We talk a lot about his eleven months in Antarctica and the grind that was. We learn about how he got into this line of work, of being a freelancer, and helping the penguins when they were in peril.

I hope I’ve made something worth sharing. I’ll be taking an indefinite leave of social media starting in 2020, so feel free to follow @CNFPod, but if I don’t respond, you know why. I’m not being rude. In fact, I want to keep in touch via email or via the newsletter. The newsletter is where it’s at, so please subscribe to that and the podcast. Duh.

Lindsay always wanted to write a book and he wrote a fine one here.

Thanks for listening and thanks to Bay Path University’s MFA in Creative Nonfiction Writing for the support.

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Episode 178: Elisa Gabbert — Tweet-Size Ideas and Letting Time Do the Work

Elisa Gabbert

By Brendan O’Meara

“Time is doing so much work.” — Elisa Gabbert (@egabbert)

Here we are again, friend. Elisa Gabbert is here to talk about how she comes up with her ideas for essays and not being afraid to cast a book aside because there’s so little time to waste time not finding a mind-blowing book.

You can pre-order her new book, which comes out in August 2020. We don’t talk about what it is, but you can still pre-order the thing. The Unreality of Memory.

We talk about her essay collection The Word Pretty, quite a bit, and how she goes about the work while having a full-time job in a non-writing field. It’s good stuff.

You might want to pair this episode with Elena Passarello or Leslie Jamison or Natalie Singer.

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Episode 174: Bob Batchelor — Humble Beginnings, Breaking Free from Google, and ‘The Bourbon King

Bob Batchelor, author of The Bourbon King.

“These guys were screaming at me from beyond the grave.” —Bob Batchelor (@CultPopCulture)

“I worked to write the longest screenplay possible.” —Bob Batchelor

By Brendan O’Meara

Here we are again, CNFers! What’s new?

We’ve got Bob Batchelor here talking about The Bourbon King: The Life and Crimes of George Remus, Prohibition’s Evil Genius (Diversion Books)

Crazy story, a story that partly inspired The Great Gatsby, perhaps, maybe.

I hope you check it out.

We dig into lots of great things: How John Updike showed Bob the way, singing a kind of Pennsylvania song, and dealing with a real rotten teacher who made Bob’s life miserable until he got out from under her and made something of himself with mentors who saw his potential in college. It’s a great story.

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Episode 170: Leslie Jamison — Make It Scream, Make It Burn, and the Bounded Infinity of Nonfiction

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By Brendan O’Meara

“Essays took on this energy for me in part because they’re unofficial and in part because they brought me in contact with the world that felt really generative.” — Leslie Jamison (@lsjamison on Twitter)

Always nice when you can have straight-up badasses like Leslie Jamison on the show. I’ve spoken with some great essayists on the podcast, like Elena Passarello, Elizabeth Rush, Natalie Singer, among others.

In this episode we riff on how she had to let language to the work for her and not let the language be this shiny veneer without substance, the bounded infinity of nonfiction, and much, much more.

Her new book is Make It Scream, Make It Burn (Little, Brown, 2019) and it’s a joy to read. Leslie is also the bestselling author of The Empathy Exams, The Recovering and the novel The Gin Closet.

Keep the conversation going on Twitter by tagging me and the show @BrendanOMeara and @CNFPod. Digital fistbumps for those who do it. I hope I’ve made something worth sharing with your people, so please link up to the show and encourage your CNFin’ buds to subscribe!

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