Episode 152: Philip Gerard—Fiction, Nonfiction, and the Writer’s Magical Combination

Philip Gerard returns to the show to talk about his latest book The Last Battleground.
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“For a writer, ignorance and curiosity are a magical combination.” —Philip Gerard

“I always tell my students if you can’t find it, you don’t have it.” —Philip Gerard

By Brendan O’Meara

Hey, CNFers, I’m thrilled to welcome back Philip Gerard. Philip joined me nearly 120 episodes ago and it’s great to have him back to talk about his latest book The Last Battleground: The Civil War Comes to North Carolina (University of North Carolina Press, 2019).

His historical novel, Cape Fear Rising, is celebrating its 25th anniversary, so we dive into that as well. It is published by Blair.

Philip is also an accomplished musician and recorded this song and video as a trailer for The Last Battleground. Check it out:

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Books by Philip Gerard

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On Laziness

By Brendan O’Meara

I’ve wondered about this a lot lately. Am I lazy? Sometimes I feel like it because it doesn’t feel like I’m accomplishing a whole lot.

Maybe you feel this way too.

And what makes me really drill down on it is watching Chef’s Table on Netflix, specifically the episode with Christina Tosi. She’s a work horse and before she made a name for herself, she worked all day. Long days.

Then, in her spare time, late a night, she’d noodle with recipes: this after cooking all day. This is how she came up with some of her most innovative and groundbreaking ideas.

This is hard work. This is the extra mile so few of us are willing to take.

Looking outside my genre of interest makes me see what hard work is. I see it in people like Tosi, the obsession, the drive, the passion.

We then have to ask ourselves at the end of the day: Did I do enough? Did I push myself? If Netflix ran a docuseries on my life, would it look like that? Because that’s what it takes to make it.

Let that be the wake up call. See how they work and overlay those habits to your craft. These people weren’t anointed. They did the work, far more than we give them credit for, and we’re likely doing far less work than we should.

So, let’s go, let’s get to work and make our mark.

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Book Debt

By Brendan O’Meara

You know what this is. You have a pile of books you want to read. And the pile keeps growing.

The only way to pay off the debt is read through the pile, but the pile keeps growing.

Your unread to read ratio far exceeds your capacity to keep up.

The pile starts to stress you out.

You start reading only to get through books, not because you enjoy them.

Interest keeps growing. The pile gets bigger.

You must stop going into debt. You must pay down the principle.

Stop going to the library. Stop buying books.

There is book debt forgiveness. You can hold that book that’s been in the pile for ages and ask yourself the hard question: Will I read this? If not, either donate it, return it, or shelve it.

Do yourself a favor and read down your book debt.

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We Are Never ‘Aspired’

By Brendan O’Meara

We are always aspiring, no matter our degree of mastery.

Few things grind my gears more than hearing people say they are an “aspiring” fill in the blank. Especially in Twitter bios.

Aspiring is a way for you to cop out when your work stinks. Well, I’m just aspiring, I haven’t made it yet.

None of us ever “make it.” We are all aspiring.

Strike that word from your bio and own what you are. You aren’t an aspiring writer; you’re a writer. You’re not an aspiring stand-up comedian; you’re a stand-up comedian.

Using a word like aspiring makes you look like the amateur you’re trying to avoid.

Cutting Some Slack

By Brendan O’Meara

I skipped two days of this daily pod-blog thing.

I doubt the world was up in arms, but I’m mildly disappointed in myself because I said I’d do it every day for 100 days in a row.

But the weather was nice and I didn’t feel like being on a computer this weekend.

The world will very much keep on spinning on the days we don’t show up.

The problem becomes if we make a habit of not showing up.

That, my friend, is not an option.

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Hard Before Smart

By Brendan O’Meara

The problem with hack culture is that many people seek the short cut before they’ve even taken a step on the longer path.

People are seeking the hack before they’ve muddled through the brush.

You earn smart work by working hard through endless drafts and frustrating hours in the workspace.

And you can never know what smart work is unless you’ve put in the time and realized, oh, yes, this makes way more sense. But until you’ve put in enough repetitions, you can’t make that discernment.

And even when you’ve earned smart work, you might find the longer path is more scenic and takes you places you might not otherwise have gone.

But, please, for your own sake, quit looking for the smart way until and unless you’ve put in the long, hard work to know the difference.

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Episode 151: Jenny Odell—How to Do Nothing

Jenny Odell, bird noticer, artists, author of How to Do Nothing

By Brendan O’Meara

“Find the something else that is so absorbing to you. That is a place you can go to get away from this.” —Jenny Odell

“You can’t write for everyone. And if you did, it wouldn’t be good.” —Jenny Odell

“Sitting there is a reminder of how different a physical space is with how we consume information online.” —Jenny Odell

Welcome, friend, to CNF, the creative nonfiction podcast where I speak to badass writers, filmmakers, radio producers, and podcasters about the art and craft of telling true stories.

Today’s guest is a special one in Jenny Odell (@the_jennitaur). She’s the author of How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy. It’s an excellent read and, dare I say, an important read for these digital times we live in.

The book stemmed from this talk she gave, which makes me think: maybe the way to a book deal is come up with a great talk? Side note: It’s amazing how Jenny stood in the same spot for this entire talk. I’m definitely a walker.

Anyway…

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So Jenny was amazing. We talk about birds, Austin Kleon, and how best reclaim your attention from social media companies that are hell bend on ensuring you keep scrolling.

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Write a Thank You Note

By Brendan O’Meara

The people we admire are rarely farther away than a tweet or an email.

My suggestion is to find a way to thank this person with no expectation for anything in return (I mean, didn’t they create the art the inspires you? Isn’t that enough?).

If you can track down a mailing address (footer to a newsletter), write a thank you note.

If you can’t do that, send an email thanking them for the work.

If you can’t find an email, write a physical note, take a picture of it, and tweet it out or post to Instagram tagging them. Again, don’t do this for any reply, but do it from a place of genuine gratitude.

That sort of energy will ripple out. It’ll feel good. You’ll do better work. Then maybe someone, some time in the future, might send you a note thanking you for doing what you do.

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Time to Quit

By Brendan O’Mearahttp://twitter.com/brendanomeara

This is a tough one. This is a real tough one.

When do you quit a project? A book?

The greatest lesson I learned from my MFA program was when a mentor told me that my book was basically unpublishable and that it’s time to move on.

That stung.

So I did move on.

And published the next book.

It might be that once you’ve given it everything, that everything isn’t enough, so you must move along.

That book you keep failing to sell might be an anchor keeping you in harbor. Just because you pull up anchor doesn’t mean the anchor is gone. But until you pull up, you’ll never move.

Quitting isn’t forever, but only you can tell when you’ve exhausted your efforts. Quitting isn’t for losers. It’s for those who realize there’s far more to do.

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All Drafts Are Rough

By Brendan O’Meara

Whatever the craft, all drafts are rough, some are just rougher than others.

The people who succeed, or the people who are able to keep playing the game, are the ones who can endure all the bad work to get to the good work.

When you realize this, it’s incredibly liberating. The more bad work, the more bad track you lay down, the greater the likelihood that something good will stick.

Art is a numbers game. There are nine bad, unpublished novels behind the author’s brilliant “debut.”

But she had the courage to write badly. Remember, all drafts are rough.

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