Episode 469: John O’Connor on the Meaning of Bigfoot

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A mostly accurate transcript for Ep. 4691


“I don’t feel envy. I don’t think. Maybe in some deeper and maybe even more troubling psychological level. I do feel competition with people, competition over resources, trying to claim certain ideas, stake a claim to certain ideas before other people can, especially when you’re working with a subject that’s in the public sphere. You don’t have any personal, any real wider claim to something than somebody else. It can be nerve wracking.” — John O’Connor, from Ep. 469

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Episode 179: John O’Connor — Finding Your Donkey

John O’Connor with horse.

By Brendan O’Meara

John O’Connor is here to talk about his essay “Everything Gets Worse,” Issue 32 of Creative Nonfiction’s True Story.

In this episode we talk about the genesis of this essay, what it says about him and finding a donkey for your story.

Towards the end, he also brings up Jenny Odell and wanting to read her book How to Do Nothing. You can listen to my conversation with Jenny if you’d like. No presh. You might also like Eric Ducker, who wrote a great profile on Jenny for The Ringer.

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